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August 10, 2003

Amparos, CA, Etc.

I know that on several boards, there has been a rumor that the CA was shut down. Susana confirmed that this is just a rumor. There is some political backlash against the director of CA, Eizabeth de Larios from FRG party (Rios Montt's party). She is still there, but the PGN/FRG took away resources away from the CA.

The Court of Appeals (or Court of Amparo) made the ruling that the *"Hague Convention does not apply to the petitioners because it violates their constitutional rights."

If your lawyer was NOT on the list, then his/her cases are NOT covered by the ruling. Pressure your agency to have your lawyer file, if he/she has not already done so.

I am also aware that some agencies are *interpretting* this news as "Everything is back to normal". Legally, the amparos require that an opinion is given within 3 days. But whether they will comply is another story.

(With permission from Hannah Wallace, I am reposting her clarification. Please note that these are the "general principles". Hannah has stated that she is expecting an exact translation of the 27 page Amparo. I will provide a link when we have it)

Dear Listmates, Some of yeou have written about the fact that SOME agencies
are still recruiting families... despite the DOS website warning and the
pronouncements from the PGN/ Central Authority. There is current information to
support cautious optimism about adoptions in Guatemala.

The AMPARO granted to 97 attorney/notaries on August 5, 2003 upheld certain
principles:

1. The Hague Treaty is not a Human Rights Treaty and can't supercede the laws
of the country (internal laws). *Remember that the C.A. says on their website
that they can enforce new procedures announced on July 1, because as a HR
Treaty, the HT supercedes the Internal laws. NOT SO SAYS THE COURT.

2. The PGN does not have the right to develop regulations which deviate from
the current Law, only Congress does. * Without legislation, none of the
procedures pronounced by the PGN can be put into effect. Applying the HT without
legislation is not permitted.
This means that "arbitrary dates" like pre or post March 5, or post July 1 to
apply "new procedures" are not legal.

3. The Notarial Process is protected by the Constitution. *This means that
Notaries can continue to take Relinquishments/Consents and process the adoption
as is stated in the Law. It also means that adoptions of abandoned children,
with legal abandonment decrees, can be processed.

This AMPARO covers all the cases of the 97 Notaries who presented it. There
is an identical AMPARO being entered this week with many more Notaries signing
on.

This AMPARO is like a Court Order and stays in effect while it is being
challenged, until or unless it is overturned by a Higher Court. (It is believed
that this is unlikely to be overturned though likely that it is being appealed.)

There is some legal justification for agencies making referrals, even of post
July 1 children born and relinquished. To be absolutely safe, some agencies
are asking for small retainer fees to care for the children and begin the
process; some agencies are waiting for the results of the Appeal. But there is
this window of "'opportunity" which each family faced with the choice will have
to make. There is also a possibility that adoption legislation would be passed
by Congress. If this legislation differs greatly from the current legislation
and requires Constitutional changes, without perceived benefit to adoptions,
then that legislation can be challenged. According to attorneys, the
legislation cannot be retroactive... however, I don't recommend that families pay a
full adoption fee or even half, until we know that the Amparo is upheld under
appeal.

We should be asking our DOS to change the web site information. We should be
asking BCIS to resume DNA testing. We should be asking that our government
respect the Laws of Guatemala, not the authority assumed by the Central
Authority, who doesn't have the Law behind it in applying certain rules. We should be
asking our government to mediate between the Central Authority and adoptive
families and to stop sending us to the C.A. for information. The PGN has a role
within the current Law to process adoptions within a certain time period.
Cases are being returned to the PGN. If they don't comply with the "court order"
they can be charged criminally.

While we don't have complete security by any means, August 5 was a good day
for the children of Guatemala who need families.

Hannah Wallace, Adoptions International

Posted by Kelly at August 10, 2003 03:50 PM
Comments

Is there any hope for those of us waiting for a referral from Guatemala?

Posted by: Katie Myler at August 12, 2003 01:50 PM

Hi Katie,
The amparos are a positive step since they remove any distinction between pre-March 5, transitional, and post-July 1 cases. According to this decision, all cases should be processed the same, no matter when they were initiated. However, our government hasn't yet accepted this position and is still taking the word of the PGN (rather than the courts). I would say that there definitely is hope (probably more now than there has been all summer), but there is certainly no guarantee. Maura

Posted by: Maura at August 12, 2003 02:13 PM

Re: AMPARO granted to 97 attorney/notaries on August 5, 2003 and covers all the cases of the 97 Notaries who presented it.

Will the Court ruling apply to future cases presented by these same 97 attorneys?

Posted by: Annette Garrett at August 12, 2003 02:54 PM

When does the three days start for them? Does it mean that they can appeal and our cases will be held up in CA or are they suppose to be processing cases as of Monday morning?

Posted by: Bobbie at August 12, 2003 02:59 PM

Our attorney has applied for an amparo on our behalf. How long does it take for this amparo?

Posted by: Jackie at August 12, 2003 05:45 PM

I am not sure is this is good news or not, but PGN has been refusing our case since may 25th, but as of today they accepted it. Wonder if this means they are going to start processing them or what? Kinda scared to get excited, but this is the only move in the positive direction all summer and I just want my baby girl to come home. If anyone has any new news please get back to me. Thanks Terri Soon to be mom to Madison

Posted by: Terri Reese at August 13, 2003 12:56 AM

My friend is stuck in the morass of transitional cases, and has gotten me semi-addicted to these websites. I rarely comment, but something Hannah wrote struck me. How rosy do your glasses have to be to say there is room for "cautious optimism?" My friend just missed the March 5 cut-off and has been sitting in the PGN for almost 5 months, or nearly half a year, and we're assuming that she'll be one of the first ones out when the PGN approves these cases. There are hundreds after her. Why would an agency want to even cautiously encourage someone to get involved in this mess right now? It doesn't make sense. There are so many rumors but only one absolute fact: the cases aren't being approved! I would wait until the amparo issue is resolved by the courts, instead of reading too deeply into lower court decisions. I wouldn't want another family to have to go through what my friend is going through. This has eaten up a year of her life. I believe in being positive, but that's a far cry from being destructively optimistic.

Posted by: rosa s. at August 13, 2003 08:29 AM

I have a questtion and would like to get some opinions and/or thoughts..
Our attorney is on the list of those that filed appeals. Our agency says he will now apply for an appeal on each case individually. The way I understand it it that the original appeal that was granted includes ALL cases for that those attorneys. Why would our attorney need to submit each appeal individually? I expected that our attorney would go ahead and start submitting cases to PGN instead. Any thoughts?

Alan and Joy Butler
Waiting for Brenna Rose

Posted by: Alan Butler at August 13, 2003 09:31 AM

My atty has filed my case/ampro with PGN. But I feel as though there has been no glimps of real action from the PGN. And the lawsuits that the atty's are filing will only put them in jail for a few days. These guys dont seemed to be bothered by this. what will it ultimately take to FORCE the PGN to process the cases.
Also. My oppinion may not matter but I need to say it. The new process is not that bad. If the atty's would just stop fighting the system maybe the PGN will begin working again.
Yes the current system is better, but compared to other countries the new process is good.
We just want our babies.

Posted by: april damolaris at August 14, 2003 10:51 AM

just a question
once again i cant get on adoptionforums.com
i am getting some info that says down load??
is anyone else getting this ??
are we supposed to hit download ??

Posted by: amy at August 17, 2003 11:12 AM

i have always felt this was a big battle between
the lawyers and pgn
now that the lawyers jobs are safe
and the agencies

we should see some real legal action taking place
im hoping they can get together and just let the
babies out!!!!!!

Posted by: amy at August 17, 2003 11:25 AM

To Terri Reese of Madison
Please contact your fellow Wisconsite adopting from Quatemala at khuebschen@firstweber.com

Posted by: Katie Huebschen at August 26, 2003 10:53 PM